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	<title>Comments on: Ya-ah indayah ya-ah indayah ya-ah indayah ya-ah indayah</title>
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		<title>By: W.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose my post is nothing you didn&#039;t already say in a slightly different way, but now I&#039;m on to thinking about why control is so highly valued. 
 
I often hear sounds that some would immediately describe as annoying, but I either hear it as genuinely beautiful, or I make a cognitive choice to listen to an interesting sound differently - hearing layers, highest pitches, lowest pitches, phrases, arrhythmic features...it&#039;s a great feeling of &quot;letting go&quot; that often fights with my daily duties of maintaining order and defining function. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose my post is nothing you didn&#039;t already say in a slightly different way, but now I&#039;m on to thinking about why control is so highly valued. </p>
<p>I often hear sounds that some would immediately describe as annoying, but I either hear it as genuinely beautiful, or I make a cognitive choice to listen to an interesting sound differently &#8211; hearing layers, highest pitches, lowest pitches, phrases, arrhythmic features&#8230;it&#039;s a great feeling of &quot;letting go&quot; that often fights with my daily duties of maintaining order and defining function.</p>
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		<title>By: W.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just about to say something quite similar, Ben. Control has part of the issue with being disturbed by a sound, I think particularly when it is unidentified.  
 
When people understand the noise, say a rooster, but cannot turn the sound off, it the sound &quot;has a face&quot; and can be perceived as almost heckling the listener. &quot;If I could only throw a stone and stop the rooster from cawing...&quot; 
 
When a sound is unidentified, the sound could, in some cases, come off as disturbing in a threatening way. The sound has no face, and it&#039;s origin might not be discernible, therefore throwing the listeners senses into a shadow of self doubt. In some cases this could be scary, it could be angering, it all depends on the situation, but I think the control issue goes even further, because the listener not only wants to possibly control/eliminate the sound, but first master the details of its origin. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to say something quite similar, Ben. Control has part of the issue with being disturbed by a sound, I think particularly when it is unidentified.  </p>
<p>When people understand the noise, say a rooster, but cannot turn the sound off, it the sound &quot;has a face&quot; and can be perceived as almost heckling the listener. &quot;If I could only throw a stone and stop the rooster from cawing&#8230;&quot; </p>
<p>When a sound is unidentified, the sound could, in some cases, come off as disturbing in a threatening way. The sound has no face, and it&#039;s origin might not be discernible, therefore throwing the listeners senses into a shadow of self doubt. In some cases this could be scary, it could be angering, it all depends on the situation, but I think the control issue goes even further, because the listener not only wants to possibly control/eliminate the sound, but first master the details of its origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tausig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Tausig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nikkos, 
 
Thanks for yr posts. I definitely agree that control is part of the answer. But there&#039;s also an element of shared purpose - if you&#039;re in a band with someone making horrible noise on an electric guitar, or if you&#039;re part of the crowd that paid to see it, you might feel differently from the neighbor next door. We can extend this thought to culture as well. If you grow up in a city that has lots of loud parades in the summer, you might find those events exciting as an adult. But if you grow up in a quiet suburb, and you were happy in that environment, you might find the volume and activity unsettling. 
 
But to complicate things even further, what about the connection between *understanding* and sounds we can&#039;t control at all? What I mean is, when we can&#039;t control a sound, sometimes we take comfort in being able to domesticate it with knowledge. For example, I used to be really bothered by the click-click-BANG-CRACK of my radiator, until I learned the physics of it (maybe someone can post about this someday). There is something about being able to explain a phenomenon that makes it a bit more tolerable to the ears and eyes. I think that the connection between knowledge and sensory reception is an enticing one to consider. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nikkos, </p>
<p>Thanks for yr posts. I definitely agree that control is part of the answer. But there&#039;s also an element of shared purpose &#8211; if you&#039;re in a band with someone making horrible noise on an electric guitar, or if you&#039;re part of the crowd that paid to see it, you might feel differently from the neighbor next door. We can extend this thought to culture as well. If you grow up in a city that has lots of loud parades in the summer, you might find those events exciting as an adult. But if you grow up in a quiet suburb, and you were happy in that environment, you might find the volume and activity unsettling. </p>
<p>But to complicate things even further, what about the connection between *understanding* and sounds we can&#039;t control at all? What I mean is, when we can&#039;t control a sound, sometimes we take comfort in being able to domesticate it with knowledge. For example, I used to be really bothered by the click-click-BANG-CRACK of my radiator, until I learned the physics of it (maybe someone can post about this someday). There is something about being able to explain a phenomenon that makes it a bit more tolerable to the ears and eyes. I think that the connection between knowledge and sensory reception is an enticing one to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tausig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Tausig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Wendy: Disturbance is in the ear of the beholder, but the term could certainly include both distraction and aesthetic repulsion. Actually, for a lot of the people I&#039;ve spoken to, especially those dealing with noise/sound issues in their own lives, unpleasantness and distraction can be hard to disentangle. For example, I used to share a backyard with a family that owned a rooster. While one usually associates roosters with the pastoral setting of the farm, in an urban context I had fantasies of shooting the thing, or at least throwing rocks at it if I ever spotted it. (I didn&#039;t). 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wendy: Disturbance is in the ear of the beholder, but the term could certainly include both distraction and aesthetic repulsion. Actually, for a lot of the people I&#039;ve spoken to, especially those dealing with noise/sound issues in their own lives, unpleasantness and distraction can be hard to disentangle. For example, I used to share a backyard with a family that owned a rooster. While one usually associates roosters with the pastoral setting of the farm, in an urban context I had fantasies of shooting the thing, or at least throwing rocks at it if I ever spotted it. (I didn&#039;t).</p>
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		<title>By: nikkos</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikkos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to ponder that one a bit...Off the top of my head I would say it has a l,ot to do with control or lack thereof. E.g., pick up an electric guitar and bash on it- it&#039;s fun. Now put the guitar into someone else&#039;s hands while THEY bash on it and YOU listen. They&#039;ve having fun, but you probably aren&#039;t anymore. Assuming the sound is roughly the same, what has changed? Control. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll have to ponder that one a bit&#8230;Off the top of my head I would say it has a l,ot to do with control or lack thereof. E.g., pick up an electric guitar and bash on it- it&#039;s fun. Now put the guitar into someone else&#039;s hands while THEY bash on it and YOU listen. They&#039;ve having fun, but you probably aren&#039;t anymore. Assuming the sound is roughly the same, what has changed? Control.</p>
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		<title>By: W.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the second order of business, how do you define disturbing? Would it mean unpleasant or simply distracting? Because most unidentified sound is distracting, but much of it is not unpleasant... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the second order of business, how do you define disturbing? Would it mean unpleasant or simply distracting? Because most unidentified sound is distracting, but much of it is not unpleasant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nikkos</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikkos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I squint my ears it almost sounds like they are repeating &quot;Salaam Alaikum.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I squint my ears it almost sounds like they are repeating &quot;Salaam Alaikum.&quot;</p>
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