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		<title>By: Topologie der Geräusche &#171; Stadt, Raum &#38; Perspektive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topologie der Geräusche &#171; Stadt, Raum &#38; Perspektive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Open Thread: Acoustic Ecology  (&#8230;) a couple of questions. First, is understanding sound as an ecosystem practical? In other words, can this formulation help us deal with noise in a just fashion? How does the ecological metaphor sit with you? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Open Thread: Acoustic Ecology  (&#8230;) a couple of questions. First, is understanding sound as an ecosystem practical? In other words, can this formulation help us deal with noise in a just fashion? How does the ecological metaphor sit with you? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leana Diamond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leana Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am constantly invstigating on the internet regarding tips that will support me personally. Thx!</description>
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		<title>By: Galen Bercegeay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galen Bercegeay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goodpoints there. I did my own search on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goodpoints there. I did my own search on</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Kassis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln Kassis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful post! I really enjoyed reading it. So excellent to read a post that is written in very good English! I&#039;ll definitely be back again for much more in the future. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful post! I really enjoyed reading it. So excellent to read a post that is written in very good English! I&#8217;ll definitely be back again for much more in the future. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: jobs in graphic design</title>
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		<dc:creator>jobs in graphic design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I unquestionably accept as true with what you have mentioned. In reality, I browsed through your other blogposts and I&#039;m sure you happen to be totally correct. Congrats with this particular blog.</description>
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		<title>By: mapquest </title>
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		<dc:creator>mapquest </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i personally prefer to hear nature rather than machines, and i believe there should be acoustic ecology as well, great article </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i personally prefer to hear nature rather than machines, and i believe there should be acoustic ecology as well, great article</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Krause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question, itself, is way too broad. The permutations of ecosystems are way too complex to address in this forum unless one has some serious earned authority in natural history. That said, the concept of the soundscape plays a role in urban, rural and wild habitats. The soundscape is broken down into three essential components: Biophony &#8211; the non-human biological sources of sound in any given environment; Geophony &#8211; the non-biological sound sources (weather, water, geophysical, etc.) in any given environment; and, finally, Anthrophony, the myriad sound sources from human endeavor. In terms of sound and the soundscape, it is the special relationship between all of these components that characterizes a soundscape. And silence is most assuredly not what is desired (unless anyone thinks they can survive for more than 5 minutes in an anechoic chamber). Tranquility is the operative word and concept. (See &quot;Anatomy of a Soundscape,&quot; Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, Jan. 08 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wildsanctuary.com/popv2/jaes.pdf)&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.wildsanctuary.com/popv2/jaes.pdf)&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Since every living organism (viruses to large whales) creates sound and lives within some kind of acoustic environment, the subtle sonic fabric of that habitat is essential to any organism&#039;s sense of place. Despite claims to the contrary, there are many sites across the planet sans anthrophony for long periods of time; nearly a dozen within a 60 minute drive of the rural-urban area where we live. Hundreds throughout North America and lots in Europe and Asia. They&#039;re sometimes just hard to get to.  
 
My new book, &quot;The Great Animal Orchestra: How Animals Taught Us to Dance and Sing,&quot; (Little Brown) will be published about a year from now and addresses in some depth, aesthetics; human &amp; Other; ecological, human and Other health; noise; music; soundscape ecology (as differentiated from &quot;acoustic ecology&quot;), politics and economics. The sonic world in about 400 pages.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question, itself, is way too broad. The permutations of ecosystems are way too complex to address in this forum unless one has some serious earned authority in natural history. That said, the concept of the soundscape plays a role in urban, rural and wild habitats. The soundscape is broken down into three essential components: Biophony &ndash; the non-human biological sources of sound in any given environment; Geophony &ndash; the non-biological sound sources (weather, water, geophysical, etc.) in any given environment; and, finally, Anthrophony, the myriad sound sources from human endeavor. In terms of sound and the soundscape, it is the special relationship between all of these components that characterizes a soundscape. And silence is most assuredly not what is desired (unless anyone thinks they can survive for more than 5 minutes in an anechoic chamber). Tranquility is the operative word and concept. (See &quot;Anatomy of a Soundscape,&quot; Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, Jan. 08 <a href="http://www.wildsanctuary.com/popv2/jaes.pdf)" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.wildsanctuary.com/popv2/jaes.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wildsanctuary.com/popv2/jaes.pdf</a>) </p>
<p>Since every living organism (viruses to large whales) creates sound and lives within some kind of acoustic environment, the subtle sonic fabric of that habitat is essential to any organism&#039;s sense of place. Despite claims to the contrary, there are many sites across the planet sans anthrophony for long periods of time; nearly a dozen within a 60 minute drive of the rural-urban area where we live. Hundreds throughout North America and lots in Europe and Asia. They&#039;re sometimes just hard to get to.  </p>
<p>My new book, &quot;The Great Animal Orchestra: How Animals Taught Us to Dance and Sing,&quot; (Little Brown) will be published about a year from now and addresses in some depth, aesthetics; human &amp; Other; ecological, human and Other health; noise; music; soundscape ecology (as differentiated from &quot;acoustic ecology&quot;), politics and economics. The sonic world in about 400 pages.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmund Mooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmund Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are great questions! I do think that understanding sound as an ecosystem is the only way to truly break it down accurately 
 
 &quot;An ecosystem is generally an area within the natural environment in which physical (abiotic) factors of the environment, such as rocks and soil, function together along with interdependent (biotic) organisms, such as plants and animals, within the same habitat.&quot; wikipedia 
 
It&#039;s not a perfect fit but i think if you add machines, which have the ability to  emit sound independently of human interaction,  to the abiotic aspects of the system then you can think about the soundscape in these terms. Through leading numerous soundwalks in the NYC area as a member of NYSAE over the last 6 years I have gleaned that there are several layers to the urban soundscape. A natural one, I.e. birds, water,  non amplified human speech and human power work related sound, small mammals, insects etc, , a man made one, of which i would further break that down into intermittent and drone and would include all machineryand humans interacting with machinery and audio devices, and on a meta level the overall hum of the city which is a combination of all sound but especially internal combustion engines and electric generators.  
 
In answer to the 2nd, i don&#039;t think i would count myself in the conservation wing of AE. I&#039;m more interested in exploring  it for it&#039;s potential to understand our daily existences better and in order to have it influence my personal sound work which it has in numerous ways. Maybe this stems from my background as a musician and sound artist or maybe it grew out of contemplating the soundscape of NYC and realizing that it was so much larger than myself that ways to effect it were not readily apparent. After exploring and understanding the minutia of the soundscape i can see ways to effect change now but they would be small steps in the right direction rather than effecting it in a more far-reaching way.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are great questions! I do think that understanding sound as an ecosystem is the only way to truly break it down accurately </p>
<p> &quot;An ecosystem is generally an area within the natural environment in which physical (abiotic) factors of the environment, such as rocks and soil, function together along with interdependent (biotic) organisms, such as plants and animals, within the same habitat.&quot; wikipedia </p>
<p>It&#039;s not a perfect fit but i think if you add machines, which have the ability to  emit sound independently of human interaction,  to the abiotic aspects of the system then you can think about the soundscape in these terms. Through leading numerous soundwalks in the NYC area as a member of NYSAE over the last 6 years I have gleaned that there are several layers to the urban soundscape. A natural one, I.e. birds, water,  non amplified human speech and human power work related sound, small mammals, insects etc, , a man made one, of which i would further break that down into intermittent and drone and would include all machineryand humans interacting with machinery and audio devices, and on a meta level the overall hum of the city which is a combination of all sound but especially internal combustion engines and electric generators.  </p>
<p>In answer to the 2nd, i don&#039;t think i would count myself in the conservation wing of AE. I&#039;m more interested in exploring  it for it&#039;s potential to understand our daily existences better and in order to have it influence my personal sound work which it has in numerous ways. Maybe this stems from my background as a musician and sound artist or maybe it grew out of contemplating the soundscape of NYC and realizing that it was so much larger than myself that ways to effect it were not readily apparent. After exploring and understanding the minutia of the soundscape i can see ways to effect change now but they would be small steps in the right direction rather than effecting it in a more far-reaching way.</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regard to the last paragraph here, i wonder how location effects such choices of what to listen to. What we play becomes mixed with where we are. Far enough away here where birds are one of the strongest elements in the soundscape, i can&#039;t imagine a desire to here other recordings of them, perhaps also since they are new birds, it is enough. For years on the other hand, i worked in fairly loud factory environments and often was disappointed with &#039;industrial&#039; music makers failing to get or reproduce the better qualities there. Usually machinery exist in a large rooms and very little of how it spreads in space is captured or used in spaces of like size. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to the last paragraph here, i wonder how location effects such choices of what to listen to. What we play becomes mixed with where we are. Far enough away here where birds are one of the strongest elements in the soundscape, i can&#039;t imagine a desire to here other recordings of them, perhaps also since they are new birds, it is enough. For years on the other hand, i worked in fairly loud factory environments and often was disappointed with &#039;industrial&#039; music makers failing to get or reproduce the better qualities there. Usually machinery exist in a large rooms and very little of how it spreads in space is captured or used in spaces of like size.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cummings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, that&#039;s a great and very key point: the &quot;de-humanization&quot; of many recordings is problematic.  I think some people just like to listen to, say, machinery more than human activity.....it&#039;s more interesting, sonically, to them.   Not unlike those who prefer to hear birds than traffic, say? 
 
some of the more integrative recordists address these questions directly (I&#039;m thinking of David Dunn for example) or in conversation/interviews when they discuss editing choices. 
 
I suppose, when considering published CDs, we also have to acknowledge that many more people are interested in spending money, and listening repeatedly, to natural soundscapes, than urban ones.  Though it&#039;s heartening to see how many sound artists are finding ways to share their more human-oriented work in small-run CDs and online paid and free downloads and streams. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, that&#039;s a great and very key point: the &quot;de-humanization&quot; of many recordings is problematic.  I think some people just like to listen to, say, machinery more than human activity&#8230;..it&#039;s more interesting, sonically, to them.   Not unlike those who prefer to hear birds than traffic, say? </p>
<p>some of the more integrative recordists address these questions directly (I&#039;m thinking of David Dunn for example) or in conversation/interviews when they discuss editing choices. </p>
<p>I suppose, when considering published CDs, we also have to acknowledge that many more people are interested in spending money, and listening repeatedly, to natural soundscapes, than urban ones.  Though it&#039;s heartening to see how many sound artists are finding ways to share their more human-oriented work in small-run CDs and online paid and free downloads and streams.</p>
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